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Clone + Trek II Preamp + Leslie 122 = not enough volume

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By bluesdisciple October 17, 2012 in The Keyboard Corner

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I played my first gig last weekend with my Roland V-Combo running through a Trek II Preamp and my Leslie 122. And with the keyboard, preamp and Leslie all cranked up, I still barely had enough volume to hear myself, nevermind to be heard well by anyone else on stage. The Leslie was miked so I was okay, not great (soundman problem) in the FOH mix, But when I took a solo break, all I could do was turn up the gain on the Roland--but I couldn't do much of that either before the growl took over. Just didn't have as much as volume as I am used to with my C3 and Leslie.

It wasn't a soundman who was familiar with the band (multi-band gig) so I couldn't rely on him to boost me as he didn't know the songs or where the solos were coming from. Plus I found out after the gig that he didn't even know what a Leslie was! That's another problem altogether though. I just need some more volume from my rig for now.

What can I do to help boost the volume? I loved using the Leslie with the Roland and still want to, so buying a Ventilator isn't something I am interested in.

1956 Hammond C3 with Leslie 122, Roland V-Combo, Trek II Preamp, Peavey KB 100, 1976 Natural Maple Rickenbacker 4001S bass

And yes folks, I do gig with a Casio WK 3700...So there!

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If everything else fails you can try to pickup a clean boost pedal or a clean preamp. Some along the lines of a an Electro Harmonix LPB-1 or LPB-2 might work or a MXR micro amp.

Or a a cheap mic preamp with 1/4 inputs and outputs. M-Audio makes one called the audio buddy but I don't know anything about it but something like that maybe be cleaner than a clean boost pedal.

PS - Pretty sure this will work but it may be a little noisy if you are already play with some grunge. I would do this as a last ditch effort.

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three realistic options are:

1) have FOH return the leslie signal back to you through a monitor or to a separate amp/speaker combo.

2) Send the mic'd 122 into a mixer and send the output to FOH and to a powered speaker/monitor yourself

3) Ventilator into a powered monitor and to FOH. Since this option isn't an option as you previously stated that the Vent isn't something you're interested in then the first two are the only logical options left.

I guess there is a fourth, which is to MOD the 122 (like Santana's K/B player did). I don't think you want to really do that though.....

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Just didn't have as much as volume as I am used to with my C3 and Leslie.

And you won't. I'm not sure why but I feel it has something to do with impedance mismatching between the Trek preamp and the Leslie. I have never been able to get enough volume out of those things in a stock Leslie using a clone. If you turn up the clone, it just distorts, as you found out.

Does the V-Combo have an 11pin output? The only way I was able to get enough juice between my Roland VK-7 and a Leslie 122 was using the Hammond 1122 11pin to 6pin converter box.

You have a couple options: Sell the Trek and get a Speakeasy pedal preamp. They sound better and can drive a Leslie better in my opinion.

Sell the 122 and get a 3300. You'll have more volume than you know what to do with.

Sell the Trek and buy a Vent. No more mic'ing problems and you can get as loud as your monitors will allow.

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I absolutely agree with Jim on his suggestion to trade the Trek preamp for a Speakeasy. I've used a speakeasy/147 leslie combination for years, and this combination is plenty loud! If you insist on a real leslie.. a speakeasy preamp with your 122 OR a 3300 is probably a better solution.

At the same time, I'm not sure why you seem to be against using a ventilator.. it's the perfect solution for your volume problem.. you simply pair it up with whatever amp/monitor that is appropriate for your stage volume, and you're done. Out front, through the PA, and onstage through your amp/monitor, the ventilator will probably sound AS GOOD as a miced real leslie if you're playing with a loud ensemble.

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If you come to me and say, “I’ve never ridden an electric bike before,” I am probably going to take a few factors into consideration. The first is safety. If you’ve never built a bike, I’m probably not going to recommend a mail-order one you have to assemble yourself. You don’t want to discover that you've failed to tighten a screw when you’re going 20 miles per hour down a hill.

You also probably want a bike that’s reasonably priced, comfortable, and convenient to ride. In fact, you might want one that’s as close to your first human-powered bike as possible. Trek’s FX+ 2 hits all the sweet spots. It’s made by a reputable manufacturer with a wide retailer network. The reasonable base price includes all the commuter components, like integrated lights and fenders. Most importantly, it’s light and maneuverable.

It’s not a 65-pound “starter” ebike that will crush you if you stop on a hill or forget to charge the battery. Nor is it a smart bike that makes you spend 20 minutes walking through an app before you can ride it. I've been testing ebikes at home for years, and this is the first one my 60-year-old dad has felt comfortable grabbing and using to chase after my kids. “Sometimes I don’t even turn it on,” he remarked the other day. That’s the whole point.

Trek FX 2 electric bike

The FX+ 2 comes in two configurations and three different sizes. The default model has a regular step-over top tube, and the FX+ 2 Stagger has a step-through top tube. Both come in a variety of colors and have small, medium, and large sizes. I’m 5'2" and the small-size Stagger fits me well. However, if you’re smaller than 5 feet, you might want to look at a different bike.

The cables, battery, and motor are inside the frame. The only clue the FX+ 2 Stagger is an ebike at all is a small unit with only three buttons on it: a power button, and plus and minus symbols. When you turn on the bike, its lights turn on, and two light meters show how much battery you have left and what level of pedal assistance you have toggled on.

That’s it. There’s no bright LCD display and no throttle. This might seem like a downside, but I use my electric bike for commuting and running errands. When I lock it up on a rack, it gives me peace of mind to know that no one’s going to spot a lone ebike in the wild and immediately try to steal it (or the battery).

I also appreciate the clarity in the controls. I’ve tried other electric bikes with a one-button toggle, but I could never remember how many times to press the button to toggle the level of assist, or what light indicated how much battery I had left.

Closeup view of a cargo rack on the Trek FX 2 electric bike.

The FX+ 2 has a 250-watt Hydrive rear hub motor, which is the European standard. That might seem slightly underpowered to Americans looking to power up huge hills, but the bike is so light and maneuverable that having a smaller motor doesn’t matter much at all. The medium frame size weighs 40 pounds—almost 30 pounds lighter than my own Tern GSD S00.

Not only is it easy to scootch up hills, it’s also easy to maneuver onto crowded bike racks when I’m out, or to lift onto our hanging bike rack in my garage. Also, for the past two weeks, it’s the first bike both my dad and I have grabbed to run errands around the neighborhood. The stated range is 35 miles, but we’ve put at least 10 miles on it by now, and the battery seems largely untouched. The fast 45c road tires didn’t hurt, either.

Person riding the Trek FX 2 electric bike on a city street.

It does lack a few features we're used to seeing on higher-end ebikes by now, like a low-maintenance carbon belt drive or a continuously variable shifter. Instead, it has a regular bike chain on a nine-speed Shimano shifting system, with a derailleur that, yes, you may have to adjust occasionally.

But honestly, this was more than fine by me. I didn’t have to learn a new shifting system or figure out how to calibrate the gearing with the assist levels. I wasn’t riding a bike that was trying to predict how much assist I’d need and when—I could simply toggle on more or less as I rode. In that way, it felt much easier and more natural. 

It also has a lot of accessories that may be equally important, especially as the weather here in Oregon has grown cold, gray, and wet in the past few weeks. The 120-lumen headlamp is incredibly bright. The bell is incredibly loud. The fenders have kept my jeans relatively dry, and I’ve been able to bungee items onto the rear rack. A kickstand keeps it up in the garage for quick access, and hydraulic disc brakes work even when the rain is pouring down.

The price point may seem high compared to direct-to-consumer bikes from Aventon, Lectric, or Rad Power. But once you start adding up the cost of quality components, labor, and accessories, their prices start inching up. Mail-order companies are able to offer much lower prices on base models because their motors are cheaper. With a nicer motor, a mail-order bike like the Ride1Up Prodigy is priced comparably to the FX+ 2, and you have to assemble and safety-check it yourself.

Over the years, I’ve seen bicycle manufacturers debate and then struggle to add or subtract features that will make electric bikes more attractive to people who haven’t biked before. Extremely low step-throughs! Weird shifting systems! Apps! Huge tires! Maybe the best way to get people on an electric bike is the same way you get people on a regular bike—by making it fun, light, and easy to ride.

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